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Cristopher D. Marshall
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:14 am:   

Has TXDOT updated their timeline for the beginning of the FM423 expansion? Last I heard back in Feb from Denton Co. Commissioner Cynthia White was approximately a 6 year completion date. Have they begun acquiring right-of-way yet?
 

Cissy Sylo, Director of Engineering Serv
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 07:21 pm:   

Right of way is being acquired as properties develop within Frisco. Additional right of way will be acquired after the project has environmental clearance status. The consultant is currently working on clearing the project through the environmental process.

The 6 year completion date is within the Memorandum of Understanding between the cities and TxDOT.
 

Shafi Haque
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 08:47 am:   

How long it takes to do "environmental clearance".

There are lots of constructions going on along west side of 423 from Main to Lebanon. If possible, could you please update on these projects.

Thanks, Shafi Haque
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 152
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 11:17 am:   

Please contact Cissy Sylo, Director of Engineering for an opportunity to discuss your questions at a greater length than is feasible on this board.

Cissy Sylo
csylo@friscotexas.gov
972.335.5585 ext 131
 

Joe Wade
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 08:55 pm:   

What are the plans for upgrades to the intersection at Lebanon and 423?
 

Cissy Sylo, Director of Engineering Serv
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 03:48 pm:   

There are some short term plans by TxDOT to widen FM 423 from Main to Lebanon to allow 2 southbound lanes later this year. There are also longer term plans to widen FM 423 once the design and environmental clearance is obtained. It is estimated that obtaining environmental clearance may occur next year. Lebanon will either be widened by the developer on the south side as he develops or potentially a future bond election. Please let me know if you have any questions.
 

Tom Gonzales
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:07 pm:   

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks like this, but I'm wondering why the city approved the new home developments West of 423 between Lebanon and 720,BEFORE the roads were widened to be able to handle the existing traffic, let alone the additional traffic from future new homeowners?

This will only add to the already ridiculous traffic problems we existing homeowners in West Frisco have to deal with every morning and evening as we try to get to and from our jobs outside of West Frisco. I would think that if those new home builders wanted to build homes there bad enough, they could also help pay for the widening of the roads, or at least hold off construction untill something is done about the current traffic waits.

Has anyone responsible for managing the city of Frisco driven out of West Frisco between 7AM to 9AM, or back into Frisco between 4:30PM and 7:PM? I don't think so, otherwise something would probably have been done by now. Both me and my wife must use this route on a daily basis, and it's nerve racking to say the least. And now it apprears that it will only be getting worse before it gets any better thanks to the added homesites west of 423. Thanks for nothing!

Tom G.
Waterford Falls
West Frisco
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 181
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 10:02 am:   

The land development is separate from the improvements to FM 423 because FM 423 is under TxDOT control. The City cannot legally hold up the development because of FM 423.

The majority of the development that is occurring west of FM 423 is part of the Del Webb’s retirement housing development. The retirement development has different traffic patterns, and does not add the traffic in the peak hours compared to a traditional single family development.

The City has been working with TxDOT to improve FM 423 for the past five years. Below is Hulon Webb’s response regarding an earlier post on improving FM 423:

FM 423 north from Stewarts Creek Road (The Colony) to US 380 is 6.91-miles long and will be constructed as a 6-lane urban arterial. The plans are currently under design and are scheduled to be complete the first of next year. Once plans are complete and funds are allocated by the state, the Texas Department of Transportation will release the project for construction. At this time we do not have an exact construction schedule but anticipate the project may begin sometime in late 2006/early 2007 and take two years to complete. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me at (972) 335-5585 ext. 127.

John Lettelleir
Director of Planning and Development Services
972-335-5580
jlettelleir@friscotexas.gov
 

Brian Ray
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 04:39 pm:   

The re-striping due to the Dell-Webb community is causing a little confusion; I notice, though, that if the road could actually be divided into three lanes(?), the extra lane could be used to supplement the southbound lane in the a.m. and northbound in the p.m. - like the HOV lane is done in downtown Dallas.

Anyone think this possible? I live in Little Elm, and I'm desperate.
 

Brian Moen, Transportation Manager
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   

Brian,

Once all of the striping changes are completed, there will be two lanes southbound and one lane northbound.

TxDOT and the Texas Transportation Institute studied several cost effective interim striping changes that would increase capacity along FM 423 before it is widened to six lanes. The changes also had to work with the construction phasing that will be used for the future widening.

One option that was considered was the reversible lane design you describe. While it would provide benefit for both directions, it was decided that the high-speed rural environment of this section of road was not conducive to this type of operation.

Thanks
Brian Moen
Transportation Manager
 

David Smith
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 04:53 pm:   

Just curious, what information/data was used to determine that the southbound lanes of traffic should be assisted with two lanes and not the north bound traffic? I travel both during rush hour and they seem to be about equal. Was it to accomodate the new properties being built on the west side of 423?


 

David Smith
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 04:58 pm:   

One more question..........

In my opinion, the stoplight at Lebanon & 423 is one of the biggest reasons for the traffic. It just doesn't seem to stay green long enough for alot of the north/south traffic to flow through it. Has there been any consideration to altering the timing of the light during rush hour traffic?

Thanks.
 

Brian Moen, Transportation Manager
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Post Number: 278
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 03:48 pm:   

David,

The improvements would have helped either direction. Knowing we did not have enough room or money available to get two lanes in each direction, TxDOT conducted the study noted in my earlier response in this thread. TxDOT discussed the options with our staff and all agreed that getting two lanes southbound would provide the most benefit based on the information available. Data considered in making the final decision were traffic volumes, location of existing bottlenecks, which option would work best with the reconstruction of FM 423 to six lanes, cost, and funding sources. The TxDOT Denton office may be able to provide you with more information if you would like to call them.

The TxDOT study was actually started before the Del Webb community started to go through our development process. The additional turn lanes along FM 423 and the Stonebrook improvements that you see are a result of improvements that the Del Webb community needed to complete before being able to sell any lots in their subdivision.

The problems at FM 423 and Lebanon in the morning were a result of lack of capacity. The signal on FM 423 is programmed to stay green for up to 255 seconds before changing to Lebanon (6:30am to 9am). Motorists on FM 423 don't realize this because you can't see the signal when you are over four minutes away from it. The 255 seconds is the limit of signal controller. Motorists on Lebanon were typically waiting at least two light cycles to get on FM 423 (about 9 to 10 minutes). This morning with the same settings in place, FM 423 was using about 190 to 210 seconds with two lanes and there was no backup on southbound FM 423 at Lebanon. That indicates that even with two lanes, there is enough demand to still use about 200 seconds. With the new configuration now complete, we will be adjusting the timing in the morning to get more of a balance in delays for Lebanon and FM 423.

In the evening, we will look to see if the timing can be adjusted to improve things during the PM rush hour. Some changes are likely possible, but since the traffic demand on FM 423 far exceeds the available capacity, the changes may not be very noticeable to traffic on FM 423.

Thanks
Brian Moen
Transportation Manager
 

Brian Ray
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 01:34 pm:   

Does anyone have information concerning the closing of FM423 on Dec.19th in which all northbound traffic was diverted onto Lebanon? I was wondering if this was an accident that was unreported on the traffic networks, or if this is an ongiong issue.
 

Todd Renshaw, Chief of Police
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Post Number: 257
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   

If you are inquiring about last evening, it was due to a major accident which necessitated road closure and transport by Careflite.
 

Brian Ray
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 08:50 am:   

I am curious about the activity along northbound FM423 (pipes and materials). Is this preparation for future roadwork, or the future shopping center at Lebanon?

Thanks
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 181
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:35 am:   

The Colony is installing sewer and water line to their out property.
Frank Jaromin
 

Frank Wiese
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 01:45 pm:   

Have there been any recent updates as to when construction might begin on 423 from 121 to 380?
 

Hulon Webb, Engineer
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 11:43 am:   

Thanks Mr. Wiese for the post. Currently the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is waiting for final Environmental Approval from the State. Once this received, TxDOT can begin acquiring the right-of-way necessary to relocate existing utilities and construct the road. Their latest estimate is to bid the project in September 2007 and begin construction late 2007/early 2008. This project will take 24 months to complete.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact me at (972) 335-5585 ext. 127 or David Hensley at TxDOT (940) 387-1414.

Thanks, Hulon
 

Brian Ray
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 05:36 pm:   

Will the Dell Webb community be responsible for any additional lanes that may relieve traffic on FM423? Traffic will surely worsen when these units are occupied.
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 286
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 08:12 am:   

Brian,

The Dell Webb community funded the construction of most of the turn lanes and striping changes that were made on FM 423 last summer. They have also set aside monies to help fund the construction of a traffic signal at Stonebrook and FM 423 when TxDOT authorizes it.

No further changes were required knowing that the expansion of FM 423 to six lanes was under design. In working with the FM 423 design engineers, it was also determined that any additional changes would be removed once FM 423 construction begins. The FM 423 construction in that area is scheduled to start in September 2007.

Thanks
Brian Moen
Transportation Manager
 

london ryon
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 08:33 am:   

Since the plan on FM423 through Frisco is to be a six lane road, are they going to widen it through The Colony?
 

Jeff Hogan, Civil Engineer
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 03:56 pm:   

Dear London Ryon:

Regarding your question - Since the plan on FM423 through Frisco is to be a six lane road, are they going to widen it through The Colony?

Yes, the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) has contracted engineering services for the design of FM 423 from US 380 to US 121. FM 423 will be six lanes from US 380 to Cougar Alley in The Colony, which is about half a mile north of US 121. FM 423 will be eight lanes from Cougar Alley in The Colony to US 121. This southern portion of FM 423 (through The Colony) is scheduled to let (bid) in December of 2008 with construction beginning in early 2009.

If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me at the below numbers.

Sincerely,
Jeffery A. Hogan, P.E., Civil Engineer
City of Frisco - Engineering Services Department
6101 Frisco Square Blvd., 3rd Floor
Frisco, Texas 75034

Dept. Phone (972) 292-5400; Direct Phone (972) 292-5435
Fax (972) 731-4945; jhogan@friscotexas.gov
 

Shafi Haque
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 07:56 am:   

What is the bid and construction schedule from Stewart Creek to 380 segment of 423? Will this segment be 6 Lanes or 4 Lanes?

(Message edited by admin on October 06, 2006)
 

Jeff Hogan, Civil Engineer
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 09:07 am:   

Dear Shafi Hague:

Regarding your question - What is the bid and construction schedule from Stewart Creek to 380 segment of 423? Will this segment be 6 Lanes or 4 Lanes?

The entire project is split into three sections, or sub-projects. The "Central" FM 423 Project will be from Stewart Creek Road to 0.6 mile south of Eldorado (FM 2934) and is scheduled to let (bid) in September 2007. Construction for this Central portion will require approximately 24 months. The "North" portion is also scheduled to let in September 2007, however, our consultants on this project have already indicated that it may lag behind the Central portion by about six months. The "South" portion is scheduled to let in December 2008.

The entire project will be six lanes with the exception of the southern half mile (connecting to US 121), which will be eight lanes.

If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me at the below numbers.

Sincerely,
Jeffery A. Hogan, P.E., Civil Engineer
City of Frisco - Engineering Services Department
6101 Frisco Square Blvd., 3rd Floor
Frisco, Texas 75034

Dept. Phone (972) 292-5400; Direct Phone (972) 292-5435
Fax (972) 731-4945; jhogan@friscotexas.gov
 

Marty Roustio
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 08:06 am:   

Does anyone know where I can get a true update on the FM 423 road expansion from The Colony to FM 720? Thanks.
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
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Post Number: 424
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   

All dates given are the best information as of today - plans can change.

FM 423 is a TxDOT-controlled roadway that will be widened to 6 lanes. It is being designed and constructed in three pieces, each of which can have a different timeline. Because these are TxDOT roads that involve federal funds, they have federal guidelines that must be followed. First a project must gain approval (statements regarding the project's purpose and need) through a permitting process required by the federal government. This can take 1-6 years. Once approved, it will have engineered plans designed to show exactly what will be built and how, a process that typically takes about 1 year. Design plans allow calculation of the necessary property to be done and then acquired for use as a road. After the land is acquired (allow 1-2 years because of the state and federal rules that must be followed), the utility companies will move any affected utility lines out of the way (allow 6-12 months).

FM 423 from SH 121 to Stewart Creek is not yet environmentally approved, but plans are being designed along with the environmental permitting process. It is anticipated to be approved in 2007, which means it then will be able to begin the process of acquiring property and moving utilities out of the way. After that, construction may begin, and for this section is expected to take about 2 years.

The section from Stewart Creek to just south of Eldorado Parkway is environmentally approved and the plans for construction are 95% complete. The project should begin property acquisition by fall 2007, and begin construction in 2009. This section is also expected to take 24 months to construct.

The third section from Eldorado to US 380 is also approved environmentally. Plans are at 65% completion, with construction expected to begin in 2009 and should also require about 2 years to complete.

Elizabeth Metting, P.E.
Assistant Director of Engineering Services/City Engineer
 

Nick Weeks
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 09:47 am:   

Will the FM 423 expansion begin before the Paige Road construction has been completed? Are there plans on record and publicly available as to what the final widened FM 423 will look like? Are there any plans to add a barrier wall along the residential sections that abut FM 423? Will the right of way acquisition affect any residential properties? If so, in which areas and how?
 

Lori Chapin, Sr. Civil Engineer
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 - 02:27 pm:   

Paige Road is located within The Colony. Please contact The Colony for details regarding the section of FM 423 within The Colony. According to the latest update, FM 423 plans for this section were approximately 65% complete.
 

jackie arwine
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 10:34 am:   

do you have an update for the mid section of 423 from Stewart Creek North to ElDorado? The last post I saw was in October 2007.
Also, will the traffic signal light at the Del Webb subdivision entrance be coordinated so as to not cause any further delay in driving N. on 423?
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 489
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 02:32 pm:   

Mid section of 423:
Jacobs Carter Burgess has submitted 100% plans to the District for final review. Right of way was released by TxDOT in early November 2007. TxDOT is currently conducting appraisals. Coordination with the utility companies continues as they have been requested to submit 65% Utility Relocation Plans by January 2008. The middle section is scheduled to be bid by TXDOT in December 2008 and it is anticipated that approximately 24 months are required for construction.

Traffic signal at Del Webb entrance:
The traffic signal will be coordinated with the nearby traffic signals for portions of the day. However, because the roadway is over capacity, coordination doesn't guarantee that the signal will not create added congestion on FM 423
 

James M Burrell
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 05:12 pm:   

I have a few follow up questions regarding the thread above:

(1) Can the traffic light at Lebannon and FM 423 be modified to relieve the building traffic from The Vistas at Waterstone, The Shores at Waterstone, The Landing at Waterstone, and The Tribute subdivisions being occupied at this time? The traffic signal is much too long going east or west on Lebannon crossing FM 423 in the morning, mid-day, weekends, and evenings. Ditto for North and South bound traffic on FM 423 and Lebannon.

(2) What is the current status of the 6 lane expansion of FM 423 and Lebannon?

(3) What are the current or future plans for the City of Frisco to place a barrier/wall to prevent street noise from disturbing the residences on the west side of FM 423 and Lebannon?

(4) Will east and west bound Lebannon and FM 423 be widened? If so, when will Lebannon be widended, how many lanes will Lebannon be widened to, and will it be widended through the TollWay?

(5) What will the roads look like once completed on FM 423 and Lebannon? Can you provide me with the plans via e-mail or provide me with the blueprints?

(6) What types of commercial/retail shops are being built on FM 423 and Lebannon? Does a current list of shops exist?
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 494
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 03:38 pm:   

1. The City monitored the signal at FM423/Lebanon today. We slightly increased the timing westbound on Lebanon in the PM traffic period. This traffic signal favors southbound traffic in the AM and northbound traffic in the PM to relieve congestion on FM423. Currently, there are two lanes southbound and one lane northbound on FM423. TxDOT is finalizing plans to widen FM423 to 6 lanes with left-turn and right-turn lanes, but until then the traffic signals have to run longer on FM423 than either approach on Lebanon to compensate for the lack of additional thru lanes on FM423. Before the green time on FM423 was increased, the signal would routinely back traffic through North Colony in The Colony with traffic stop-and-go from that point.


2. What is the current status of the 6 lane expansion of FM 423 and Lebannon?
FM 423 Middle Section (Stewart Creek – FM 720 “Wye”) – Jacobs Carter Burgess has submitted 100% plans to the District for final review. Right of way was released by TxDOT in early November 2007. TxDOT is currently conducting appraisals. Coordination with the utility companies continues as they have been requested to submit 65% Utility Relocation Plans by January 2008. The middle section is scheduled to be bid by TXDOT in December 2008 and it is anticipated that approximately 24 months are required for construction.

Lebanon from FM 423 to 4th Army was awarded to Rodman Holding Company in early January and it is anticipated that construction will begin in February. The road will be widened to 4 lanes and eventually to 6 lanes. See the Thoroughfare Plan in Chapter 6 of the Comprehensive Plan which is located on the City’s website.

3. There are no plans to build a barrier/wall along FM 423.

4. See #2 above.

5. The plans are available for review in the Engineering Department located on the 3rd Floor of City Hall.

6. Please contact the Planning Department at 972-292-5300 for development projects.
 

Shafi Haque
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 12:42 pm:   

Hello!

Any update on 423 expansion projects?

Thanks, Shafi Haque
 

Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 522
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 06:59 pm:   

Shafi,

The Engineering Department provides a monthly status report of all projects they are responsible for or tracking. You can view the Engineering Department monthly update on the city's web site here:

http://www.friscotexas.gov/Departments/engineering/index.aspx?id=2027

Once on this page, click on "Monthly Staff Report"

423 status is updated on page 12 of 18.

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