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Dbeard95
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:39 am:   

I live in Windsor Place and spend about 10-15 minutes every morning waiting to turn South on the Dallas Pkwy from 720. What is the timetable for expanding this road or possibly adding a turn lane? Are we going to have to wait until the tollway makes it this far north before we have any relief at this intersection?

Thanks!!
 

Frank_jaromin
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:47 am:   

The current plans for Main Street from DNT to Railroad tracks have the right turn lane to be installed in this contract. The project is on hold due to SBC conflicts which staff hopes to have cleared in 10 weeks and construction to continue.
If you would like to discuss this call me at 972-335-5580 ext 156
Frank Jaromin
 

David Beard
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 08:49 am:   

Frank,

Thanks for your response. I think we might be talking about the opposite sides of that intersection, though. It's my understanding that the construction east of DNT/Main St (between DNT and railroad tracks) is what's being delayed by SBC. I'm talking about the west side of that intersection. Traveling east from Legacy and turning south on the DNT is where I'm experiencing major delays. That right turn is always very backed up.

Is this construction included in the project that's being delayed by SBC? Are they just going to re-do that entire intersection?

Thanks!!
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 03:24 pm:   

Yes we are talking about the same right turn lane. We are working with the utility companies to relocate the existing line, but first we need to get the Right of Way for the turn lane so they have a place to relocate to.
Frank Jaromin
 

Richard Swardh
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Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 08:51 pm:   

Frank,

Can you please give us an update?

Thanks!
Richard
 

Hulon Webb, Engineer
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 11:21 am:   

Mr. Swardh,

The construction of Main Street from the DNT to the BNSF Railroad is still delayed by SBC. Last estimate is 12 weeks to relocate the utility line that is in conflict with the construction. After that point, the construction will restart. The right turn lane at the intersection to turn south on DNT is included in that construction but will not be complete until late next year. Please feel free to contact me at (972) 335-5580 ext. 194 with any questions.
Hulon
 

Anonymous
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Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 08:41 pm:   

Back in June it was posted that staff was at that time working with SBC on relocating the underground line. Why is this taking so long? It has been almost six months. Has anything been done since June?
 

Doug Fay
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 08:34 am:   

Frank,

Would it be possible to give the left lane an option to turn right? The right lane is already a forced right turn. Most of the time a long line forms in the right lane and some drivers race down the left lane and cut in at the last moment. Why not let them stay in the left lane and give them the option to turn right? I really think this would help.
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:35 am:   

The City is preparing the drawings to provide a third lane going southbound at Main and the Toll Road to allow that movement. It is not good engineering to allow dual lefts into two lanes. It is preferred to have dual turn lanes into 3 lanes.
The City is also working on a right turn lane from Main Street to Toll Road.

If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 12:01 pm:   

The City has been working with SBC to relocate the underground lines in Main Street Section 3. When the City was in the design phase we go to all the franchises to request line locates. SBC had located the lines but did not feel the depth was a problem. After construction started the contractor found that the underground line were in conflict with some of the storm sewer. SBC was required to redesign a new system from the DNT to John Elliot. Since the lines were in a easement to SBC, the City is required to pay for the relocation. SBC had completed the engineering and was required to bid out the work so staff could submit the cost to City Council for approval. The check was sent to SBC for the relocates on 1/11/03. Work is anticipated to start with in the next two weeks.


If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Richard Swardh
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Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 08:01 pm:   

Another month has past and the unnecessary delays are worse than ever. Has anything happened since the last post? Is there anything we as citizens getting stuck in traffic every morning and afternoon can do to help? Please excuse my frustration but the solution to the problem seems so simple and obvious but nothing appears to have happened for a very long time.
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 05:45 pm:   

Currently we are designing the intersection to add a third lane to the Toll Road to give the capacity for dual rights. I am working with the property owners to get the ROW (right of way) for the right turn lane on Main Street. The documents are in route to the current owners and I donít feel this will be a problem getting. The overhead utilities have been told about this work and should be preparing submit relocation plans.
If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Richard Swardh
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 11:30 am:   

This morning was a record setting day (at least for me personally). Unfortunately it was not one of those records you necessarily enjoy... The backup on 720 going east was PAST the entrance to Kings Gardens subdivision. I'm not very good at judging distances but I guess that is probably close to 3/4 of a mile from the 720/DNT intersection. When I finally arrive at the intersection of 720/DNT after 15 minutes bumper to bumper I notice that there is NO backup whatsoever for traffic on the DNT going south or on Main going west.

Again, what can be done to address the problem right now? Waiting a year for a right turn lane to be built doesnít seem very aggressive. Why not build it right away?

Thanks!
 

Peter Lin
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Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 08:55 am:   

I agree with Richard, traffic seems to be getting worse by the day. With all the new housing being built and the large number of Frisco citizens being affected, this issue needs to be on the front burner. The problem's going to get worse unless an alternate southbound route can be constructed, either Teel or Legacy. So couldn't a new sounthbound lane construction be expedited?

Please ensure that this intersection receives the city's upmost attention.

Thanks
 

David Beard
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 10:10 am:   

I feel pretty safe in saying that Richard probably broke his personal record again today. Traffic at this stoplight was backed up this morning practically to the Teel and Main intersection. It took me 21 minutes to get through. Maybe I should just speed on by in the left lane and then force my way over at the last minute like the other 50 cars that pull this (By the way, is that illegal? And if not, is it legal for me to chase these people down and run them off the road?)

What are the chances of getting someone at this intersection to direct traffic in the morning? I know that no one likes doing this but it would just be for an hour or two every morning and since the traffic backup is so one-sided it seems that someone directing this intersection could solve the problem until construction is complete.
 

Steve O.
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Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 09:47 pm:   

I feel the same frustration as all the previous posts on the 720/DNT intersection. why can this not be made into a priority? abiously it's affecting a lot of people and no one seems to be in a hurry to fix the problem. how long does it take to build a lane? I have a suggestion, it may not be good engineering to have 2 turning lanes there, but how about if you put up traffic cones for now to keep traffic separted and also to keep people from cutting in at the last minute?
 

Todd Renshaw, Chief of Police
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 10:50 am:   

David,

The detection loop malfunctioned yesterday morning, I am told. The traffic engineers are working to alleviate the problem.

We have discussed this in the past and have several reservations about directing traffic at the intersection. Directing traffic at Main and Teel would require two officers. If we direct traffic there, the lengthy backup moves to Main and Dallas Parkway. It would require two more officers to work that intersection and then the congestion would move to Dallas Parkway and Stonebrook. It would simply create problems downstream where traffic already backs up. We simply don't have the officers available to direct traffic on the route leading out of town. It would require that no school zones could be covered on that side of town, which for me is not an option.

Hopefully, the light, once installed, will meter the flow evenly and prevent some backups. I am told that the light should be functional around the first week of February.
 

Doug
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 01:25 pm:   

Above, David alluded to the possibility of some people driving illegally at this intersection. Would it be possible to have an officer patrol the intersection in the mornings? If I'm not mistaken, changing lanes within 100 feet of an intersection, obstructing the flow of traffic, and changing lanes without a signal are all offenses.
 

Brian Moen, Traffic Engineer
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Post Number: 147
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 06:22 pm:   

This message is in response to recent questions regarding the intersection of Main and DNT.

Earlier this week there was a detection failure at Main and DNT for the eastbound direction. Adjustments were made Tuesday to compensate for the failure. The intersection was observed Wednesday morning and it was determined that more changes were needed. Those changes were made last night and based on traffic conditions this morning, the back-ups that were extending beyond the Kings Garden area have been eliminated.

The real key to making the dual right-turns work is constructing a third lane along the Tollway towards Platinum. The plans for this are nearly complete as well as the plans for the necessary traffic signal modifications. It appears at this time that once those plans are complete, we can begin construction of the third lane. Once the third lane is complete and opened to traffic, we will change the striping to allow the dual rights immediately even though the right-turn lane is not complete.

In order to complete the actual right-turn lane, the right-of-way acquisition process needs to be completed. It is expected to be finished within the next two weeks. Once that is done, the utilities will be relocated. That relocation will take several months to complete. After the relocation is done, the turn lane construction will begin.

We are working as quickly as possible in getting this turn lane built. The property on the corner where the right-of-way is needed has changed hands during the right-of-way acquisition process. The other issue we are trying to address is the construction of the Texas U-turn lanes at this location as well. The Texas U-turn project will begin construction this summer. We are also getting these two projects coordinated with the upcoming NTTA mainlane construction that will probably begin sometime in 2005.

Peter mentioned other relief routes. Until the Tollway extension is complete, that is what is really going to address the issue.

Thanks
Brian Moen
bmoen@friscotexas.gov
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Todd Renshaw, Chief of Police
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 02:47 pm:   

It is not a violation to change lanes within 100 feet of an intersection, although it is a requirement to signal intent 100 feet before turning at an intersection. The double line markings on the pavement indicate a do-not cross double line pattern. Crossing the double line of buttons would be a violation and I have asked for officers to monitor that.
 

Stephen Tindula
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Registered: 02-2004
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 11:21 am:   

Brian, has there been any progress gaining right-of-way to the properties surrounding this intersection? Iím curious because there seems to be no end in sight to the morning traffic saga. This morning, both of Main's eastbound lanes were backed up well beyond Legacy.

The problem continues to fester without a foreseeable resolution. In the meantime, more and more houses are being built and sold on the Northwest side of Frisco. There is also a good amount of traffic coming from Little Elm.

Since Dallas Parkway is virtually our only southern route out of the city, and the housing boom will not be ending any time soon, can you provide us with some hope of a more immediate solution?
 

Brian Moen, Traffic Engineer
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 04:25 pm:   

Stephen,

The property owner requested additional changes to the right-of-way documents. Those changes have been made and the documents have been sent back the property owner for their signature.

As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread from January 15, the real solution will be alternate routes. We are working as quickly as possible on those routes. Those routes would be the Teel and Legacy sections south of Main Street.

Brian Moen
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Pam Reubin
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Registered: 02-2004
Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 12:22 pm:   

What is the status of the turn lane at 720 and Dallas Parkway? It takes 15 minutes to get off of 720 each morning!
 

Brian Moen, Traffic Engineer
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 02:03 pm:   

Pam,

We are working on obtaining the right-of-way. Once that is taken care of, please refer to statements from my January 15th posting in this thread to see what the next steps will be.

Thanks
Brian Moen
bmoen@friscotexas.gov
 

Richard Swardh
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Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 01:09 pm:   

It has been a month since the last update. What is the latest?
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 09:54 am:   

We are still working on obtaining the right-of-way (ROW) on Main Street. As of Friday March 19 the property owner has informed the City that the document is at the lending agency for approval. We are unable to relocate utilities until we have the ROW.

If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Abraham Slokovitz
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 12:59 pm:   

Why is a third lane is needed on the DNT in order to compensate two right turn lanes from main? On other areas of the DNT there is no compensation made for two turn lanes (i.e west bound lebanon onto the DNT south).

(Message edited by karinh on March 23, 2004)
 

Cissy Sylo, Director of Engineering Serv
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 08:53 pm:   

The volume of traffic turning at this location and the number of trucks with their associated large turning radius is the reason we need the additional lane of traffic. The westbound Lebanon onto DNT south turns left only on a green signal indication. Right turning traffic typically will turn right-on-red which further componds the need to make sure the turning traffic safely makes this movement.
 

Doug
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 03:51 pm:   

Can I get an update on the progress of adding an additional right turn lane from East bound Main to South bound Dallas Parkway? It seems like both directions were graded for the new lanes, but nothing seems to have been done since.
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 10:12 am:   

Staff is working at getting the last line off the old Coserv poles. The existing traffic signal pole is scheduled to be removed in 2-3 weeks; once this is complete the contractor can complete both the right turn lanes and the extra third lane on the Toll Road. The concrete will require about 2-3 weeks of cure time before traffic is placed on it.

If you would like to discuss this further please do not hesitate to contact me at 972-335-5580 ext 156
Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Brad Bierman
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:35 pm:   

Frank,

Do you have any more updates about this construction?


(Message edited by admin on October 11, 2004)
 

CP
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 09:04 am:   

what about turning west onto FM720 From DNT during evening rush hour? It seems it is as bad if not worse than turning south onto DNT in the morning. Is anything being done to construct an extra left turn lane?
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 11:17 am:   

Brad
As you can see the poles are down and all we are waiting on is the signal relocation which should be with in two weeks, after that that Site Concrete has given us two weeks to finish the turn lanes and third lane on DNT.

CP
With the construction of the DNT there will be a additional lane for the westbound movements.

If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer

 

CP
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 11:21 am:   

Frank,

the northbound left turn (onto 720W) backup is as bad as the right turn lane to southbound DNT. Are you saying it will not be addressed until the estimated 2008 completion of the DNT extension?
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 114
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 05:00 pm:   

Staff is working on adding a left northbound turn lane to go west on Main Street. This should happen with in the next month or after the next traffic move on Main Street.

If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Neighbor
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 09:50 am:   

Will a new turn lane be constructed to serve southbound Legacy once construction to connect Legacy and Main is finished? Without a turn lane at Legacy wouldn't there be a potential for backups occurring from cars waiting to turn south and cars desiring to turn southbound at the parkway?
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:52 pm:   

We are currently trying to get ROW to build the southbound turn lane to Legacy Road. If we can acquire in time we will build it. Typically when the property develops we get he ROW at that time and have it built thru development, but this is one staff is trying to get built ahead of time.

If you would like to discuss this further please do not hesitate to contact me at 972-335-5580 ext 156
Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Richard Swardh
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 08:03 pm:   

Hi Frank

Can you please give us an update on the progress of the additional right turn lane from East bound Main to South bound Dallas Parkway? Also, it seems to me that Dallas Parkway north bound has been graded for an extension of the right turn lane on to Main Street for quite some time but just the other day some utility poles was put in the middle of the what appears to be a future right turn lane. Perhaps I've misinterpret the whole situation? Thanks.
 

Frank Jaromin, City Engineer
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 10:08 am:   

Yes, Site Concrete has reported to me that they will be in on the 15th to start both the right turn lane and the third lane on the southbound Toll road. We are going to add an continuous right turn lane from Old Cotton Gin to Main Street but those drawings are not complete. What you maybe seeing is just utility work.

If you require further information please call me at 972-335-5580 ext. 156.

Frank Jaromin
City Engineer
 

Brad Bierman
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 03:50 pm:   

Frank,

What is the timeline to finish the right-turn lane for east bound 720 at Main? Most of this was completed earlier this month, but has not been noticably touched for weeks.



(Message edited by admin on February 02, 2005)
 

Doug
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 10:05 am:   

With the two right turn lanes completed, is it legal to make a right turn on red from the inside lane. I've know it's not in some states, but I'm not sure about Texas.
 

Todd Renshaw, Chief of Police
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Post Number: 221
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 04:55 pm:   

Yes, it is, unless otherwise posted.

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