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James Petrey
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Username: Jpetrey

Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 06:27 pm:   

On December 30th Frisco PD was giving tickets to drivers who were driving east on US380 and turned right onto
FM423(south) The east bound light was green so they moved to the shoulder to make the turn so as not to be in the way of traffic driving at the posted highway speed 65mph. They were ticketed for using the shoulder. The Denton County Sheriff's office has said in the past that this way the way to exit the highway for this situation. Could you find the correct Code the addresses the use of a shoulder so we can pass it on to the 380 neighborhoods.

Thanks
 

John Bruce
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Username: John_bruce

Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 09:11 am:   

We get this question a lot. The following is an excerpt from the Transportation Code Section 545.058. DRIVING ON IMPROVED SHOULDER. (a) An operator may drive on an improved shoulder to the right of the main traveled portion of a roadway if that operation is necessary and may be done safely, but only:

(1) to stop, stand, or park;

(2) to accelerate before entering the main traveled lane of traffic;

(3) to decelerate before making a right turn;

(4) to pass another vehicle that is slowing or stopped on the main traveled portion of the highway, disabled, or preparing to make a left turn;

(5) to allow another vehicle traveling faster to pass;

(6) as permitted or required by an official traffic-control device; or

(7) to avoid a collision.
 

Mira
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Username: Josefina3

Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 10:31 pm:   

By the information that you have given Mr. Bruce, would it be permissible for drivers to use the shoulder to make a right turn onto southbound FM 423?
 

John Bruce
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Username: John_bruce

Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 - 09:44 am:   

It is not permissible to pass cars on the shoulder. Passing on the shoulder is only allowed if passing one vehicle which is turning left off of the roadway. Passing a line of cars on the shoulder is prohibited.
 

James Petrey
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Username: Jpetrey

Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 - 07:10 pm:   

But it would be permissible to use the shoulder to exit 380 onto 423 when the east bound light on 380 is green so as not impede east bound traffic traveling the posted speed limit of 65MPH
 

John Bruce
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Username: John_bruce

Post Number: 19
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 09:05 am:   

Yes if you are using it to decelerate and not passing any vehicle on the right.
 

Mira
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Username: Josefina3

Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 02:48 pm:   

Considering the shoulder cannot be used to pass cars to make a right hand turn onto 423, would it be possible for the city of Frisco to consider adding a right turn lane at this intersection? I have seen turn lanes added at other intersections along 380. It seems this would greatly reduce the amount of traffic that builds up at this intersection.
 

Joel Fitts, Senior Traffic Engineer
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Username: Joel_fitts

Post Number: 21
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 11:04 pm:   

Mira,

US 380 and FM 423 are not City of Frisco streets, but are instead controlled by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT). You can contact the TxDOT Denton County Area Office at 940-387-1414.

Keep in mind that it is not a simple matter of changing the striping of the shoulder to create a turn lane. Instead, additional pavement would need to be added to create a new shoulder, and the current shoulder pavement would have to be rebuilt to remove the rumble strips. Therefore, TxDOT would be making its decision based on the cost and its limited funding, etc.

Many of the turn lanes you see along US 380 were built in conjunction with the businesses that developed alongside the roadway. When the southwest corner of that intersection develops, it is likely that a right-turn lane will be added. In addition, TxDOT has plans to widen FM 423 in the next couple of years, and if it has not already been built, a right-turn lane would likely be added at that time.

Joel Fitts
Senior Traffic Engineer

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