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R Smith
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Username: Roland

Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 09:42 am:   

Would someone please advise just why Preston road has been ripped apart North of 121? In addition, I'm curious why any work which would necessitate this type of large scale effort was not addressed at the time that the road was constructed earlier.

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Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 192
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 08:52 am:   

TxDOT has begun work necessary to construct the Preston Road overpass over the existing SH 121. The final configuration will be three levels: the service roads as the 1st (bottom) level, Preston Overpass as the 2nd (middle) level, and SH 121 as the 3rd (top) level. The project timing is associated with the construction of SH 121.

Some current work includes:
Mall Road A traffic signal was removed the last week of August to begin the project. The TxDOT contractor is installing the storm drain from SH 121 to Gaylord. The TxDOT contractor beagan the grading of the road on the west side of Preston. The Gaylord signal is expected to be fully operational by mid October.
 

R Smith
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Username: Roland

Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 10:04 am:   

What is the estimated timeframe for these activities? To clarify, when there will actually be three levels of road extending from 121 to Preston near Gaylord?

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Curt Balogh, Spec. Asst. to the City Mgr
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 194
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 09:05 am:   

Mr. Smith:

Estimated timeframes: Level 1 (Access roads) – shortly after beginning of 2006. (Preston) – early 2007. Level 3 (SH 121) – undetermined as of right now b/c of toll issues…best estimate from TxDOT is late 2007.
 

Razorback
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Username: Razorback

Post Number: 6
Registered: 09-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 03:58 pm:   

Is there a reason that the power lines are not being buried at the same time this work is being done?
 

Jason Gray, Assistant City Manager
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Username: Jason

Post Number: 143
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 11:00 am:   

Razorback-

State law allows for relocation of lines at the cost of the utilities for a road widening project. This is a TxDOT project, not the City's, and TxDOT is not willing to bury lines at their cost. They could have been buried at the cost of the City, running about $400 per foot - on each side of the road. For the section between Gaylord and SH 121, that would be a ballpark total of $2 million. We feel that money is better spent on getting additional roads completed in Frisco.

Thanks-

Jason Gray
Assistant City Manager
 

Brian C
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Username: Brianc

Post Number: 53
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 01:48 pm:   

How much does the city spend on art on a project?

Has the city started the fund for burying these lines as we were told would happen?
 

Bill Milford
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Username: Bill_milford

Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   

Does this mean that those utilities will never be buried?
 

Jason Gray, Assistant City Manager
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Username: Jason

Post Number: 144
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:50 am:   

Brian-

The City's current ordinance provides that 2% of capital project budgets be set aside for public art.

The City has developed a proposed ordinance that is in public circulation now regarding the setting up of the fund to bury lines. That fund would make up a portion of the needed funding. Additional funding to bury lines, if needed, would likely come before the citizens for voter authorization.

Bill-
This does not mean that the utilities will never be buried-only that we do not have a funding mechanism in place as of yet to provide for the associated costs. Because the funding mechanism is proposed, there is not a projected date as to when the lines may eventually be buried.

Thanks-

Jason Gray
Assistant City Manager
 

Razorback
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Username: Razorback

Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 08:54 am:   

Jason,

Thanks for the response...so in the future when we have less of a need to build so much infrastructure will there be an opportunity to go back an bury those lines? If so at the same cost or an increased cost?

While I understand the thinking and don't necessarily disagree, if this is the only opportunity in the near term to do it I would think it would be something to consider. Can't we take the money from the art budget? Doing this will make Preston Rd and susequently Frisco more beautiful. (Asked only in half-jest.)

Thanks
 

Brian C
New member
Username: Brianc

Post Number: 55
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 01:22 pm:   

Why does the city not consider burying lines a beautification project as in the same that art does do a project? That is the reason I asked what percent is spent on art. (I thought it was one percent though.).
 

Jason Gray, Assistant City Manager
Moderator
Username: Jason

Post Number: 145
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 02:22 pm:   

Razorback and Brian C-

There are a couple of related issues to consider as well. The Texas Public Utility Commission, and subsequently an appeals court, has recently determined that we as a City cannot force a utility company to build buried lines if they are building the lines for a system improvement, even if all other lines in the area are buried. This places in the position of potentially spending millions of dollars to bury existing lines and then months or years later having a utility company run new poles and lines overhead to increase their system reliability, etc. In this case, the money spent up front would have essentially been wasted. As the entire area is growing as rapidly as it is, additional lines will certainly be built within the community - the question is only where. With as much undeveloped land as there is along SH 121 and even Preston Rd in both Frisco and Plano, it is reasonable to beleive that the utility companies will have to run additional lines in the future.

That being said, yes money could be pulled from other projects - road projects, art projects, etc. to bury the lines. Taking all things into consideration however, we believe that leaving the lines overhead for now is the best course of action. It is always a balancing act and a effort in prioritization.

Thanks-

Jason Gray
Assistant City Manager

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